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John Raymond ( - fl. 1645)

Travelled to France in 1645. Relevant locations: Visited Rome, Italy
Relationships: John Raymond was a nephew of John Bargrave (1610-1680)
John Raymond was a travelling companion of John Bargrave (1610-1680)
John Raymond was a friend of Alexander Chapman (-fl. 1645)
John Raymond was a travelling companion of Alexander Chapman (-fl. 1645)
John Raymond was a friend of John Richards (-fl. 1645)
John Raymond was a travelling companion of John Richards (-fl. 1645)

Humphrey Moseley (1603-1661) was a associate or acquaintance (general) of John Raymond
Linked print sources: as Author (in assoc. with a ms or print source) - An itinerary contayning a voyage, made through Italy, in the yeare 1646, and 1647. Illustrated with divers figures of antiquities. Never before published.
Linked Objects: Author (in assoc. with a ms or print source) - John Raymond's Itinerary [book]
Subject of/in a work of art - Portrait of Bargrave with Alexander Chapman and John Raymond
References in Documents:
Bargrave's catalogue: Rara, Antiqua, et Numismata Bargraviana (Canterbury Cathedral Lit MS E 16a) Raymond says, “This mountain was the ultima meta of our voyage to Naples.” (p. 163.)
Bargrave's catalogue: Rara, Antiqua, et Numismata Bargraviana (Canterbury Cathedral Lit MS E 16a)

(67). To hang upon my cabinet. My own picture upon copper, in little and in seculo, between my nephew and my neighbour, drawn at Siena, 1647, by the hand of Sigr. Mattio Bolognini, as written on the back side.

Gentle Traveller (Curatorial catalogue) (b) John Raymond, Il Mercurio Italico, an Itinerary contayning a Voyage made through Italy in the yeare 1646, and 1647. Illustrated with divers figures of Antiquities. Never before Published., published in London by Humphrey Moseley, 1648. This first English guide to Italy seems to have been based on Bargrave’s manuscript journal, which is lost, and was published under the name of his young nephew, who was one of the young men in his care on his first journey to Italy. The copy in the Cathedral Library at Canterbury was not Bargrave’s own, but given by a later donor. G-20-14.
Gentle Traveller (Curatorial catalogue) (k) MATTIO BOLOGNINI, three-quarter length portraits of the young Alexander Chapman, John Bargrave, aged 37, and his nephew John Raymond, aged about 17, consulting a map of Italy, with the Bargrave arms above. Painted while they were studying Italian at Siena in 1647. Oil on copper; W: 13.5 cms. B67.
Bargrave's Travel Diary (Canterbury Cathedral CCA U11/8)
May 23 sti vet. June 2 sti. no. 1645. John Bargraue

On the day and yeare aboue written, (I (being May 23, Fryday Gouernor to 2 young gentle-men, viz MrMr. Alexander Chapman, and MrMr. John Richards, hauing likewise wthwith mee a Companion of theirs MrMr. John Raymond my nephew) tooke Sea at Douer abowt 8 at night in the packet boate, haueing some Germans, English and Scots aboard wthwith vs, by reason of a Scottish Leard that came ouer, wee had a Conuey wthwith vs by the Admiralls appoyntment, caled the Speedy=-post: a smale vessell of some 10 per of Owrdnance, wchwhich we lost before morning, the wind being Easterly. Abowt 2 in the morning wee came to an anker at Sharlees poynt, a league or more from Cales; and about 7 in the morning wee wayed anker and went in to the Harbor, and so on shore at Cales, \\\ where hauing first our portmantles opened and searched, wee were had to the Maiors howse whoe being not within, we went and Cales tooke up our Inn Au Lion D'argent. On Saturday I saw the Duke of Orleans, Generall to the ffFrench army, consisting of neere vpon 40000 men (as there I was told) he was then going owt to the army not being aboue 8 leagues off: many of his souldiers were in the towne neere vpon 100 waggons of amunition as many mules laden, wthwith seuerall troopes of horse and galantry, and yet I found the towne very quiet. This This day being Whitsonday eaue, we went to the great Church where was a solemne [  ] Pentecoste. procession and good musick. On the Sunday morning wee went thither againe, and on the after noone wee went to see, the first the Nunnerie and its chappell, then the Monasterie of the Franciscan Fryers. One of them (wchwhich cold speake English but no Latine) treated vs courteously, and wnwhen wee were in, he first locked the doore after vs, and then he shewed vs the library, hall, chappel, conclaue and dormitories, wchwhich are hard places to sleepe on wthwithowt any bedding, but only a bedsted wthwith girts and canuess. thayThay goe wthwith haire next to theire skinn, and bare footed except on the soale. theThe whole place was darke and meane except a hansom walke in the garden, theire whole number he saide was but 17 but that there was 30000 of that order in the Christian world.

Then wee went to another Conuent caled the minorites, vulgarly minums wchwhich is an Order of another StSaint ffFrancis ie. StSaint Francis de Pole. Wee being in the Chappell, One of the order (an auncient man) being sweeping of it, came to mee and spake french, but I answered him in Latine, (hauing not as yet the french Language) he replyed in Latine that I was welcome. Then I demaunded whether it was not lawfull for vs to see theire Colledge, then he locked the dore and Carryed vs through a vestry into the Cloisters, and so all ouer the howse, in theire Conclaue there he told mee that once a weeke at the leaste, euery one of the (being but 14) were bound bound to come priuately and before a picture there of StSt. Fran: de Pole to confess theire sinns, and aske pardon.

The other orderorders are bound to touch no mony, nor eate any thing but what is giuen them, and thay them selues begg abowt and theire habitation meane. This last order Hath some indowment, (but smale as he told mee) may take as much mony as you will giue, Eate plentifully but yet only of the fish, and theire habitation hath some beauty and theire lodgings are good and easie. He of the Capuchion order spake somewhat disgracefully of this other order, saying thay were weake, and not \\\ strengthned to endure enough for Christs sake: at his beds feete stood a picture which I taking it to be StSt. Francis, he told me no but that is was a brother which was beatified some 60 yeares agoe, and he esteemed him as his peculiar sainct.

The minorite I spake wthwith was a scholler, and a preist, speaking very ready Latine, he saide thay eate no flesh, nor eggs, nor butter, but hauing but smale meanes thay might take mony, so I gaue him that kept the dore 8 sous for wchwhich he was very thankefull: he told me that StSt. Francis de Pole liued but abowt 100 yeares since and so vp and told mee of many miracles that hee did, all wchwhich are in new pictures in the hall. This man spake something disgracefully of the other order, saying thay were not learned but ignorant men, and did many things indiferentely through theire ignoraunce.

On
Bargrave's Travel Diary (Canterbury Cathedral CCA U11/8)

At Christmas I:John Raymond my nephew quitted Dr Feauer his french Master, whoe being a Phisicōn and Master of the Language. Jack gaue him theis Dr FebureTetrastichon Quā Medici geniū superas vulgare? medelā Scilicet et linguis Pharmaca vestra ferunt: Ergo non opus est vt laudibus ora resoluam, Sat dicant, de Te, qui didicere, loqui.